Minecon Drama Between Notch & Yogscast – Including Official Yogscast Statement
Minecon has just finished and we are all feeling a lot of love for Minecraft, Notch and just everyone really…
Notch has been thanking everyone for coming along – as well as showing some love for deadmau5.
notch: @deadmau5 <3
Although he hasn’t been feeling the love for everyone…
notch: We also learned who not to work with at Minecon. Shame.. :/
notch: Other than that, Minecon was perfect!
notch: I’m very sorry about the behavior of the people we won’t work with any more. Celebrity or not, you don’t f-bomb kids.
jahkob: @notch /me agrees
There was then nothing more about it for quite some time.. In the end I think Notch got fed up of people asking so he tweeted the following;
I honestly found this very hard to take in… Yogscast seem fine in their vids, they swear from time to time but doesn’t everyone? There was even an interview notch did with the Yogscast were he was ruder than them? (talking about Simons mum..)
Either way… It seemed notch got a hell of a lot of hate from this so…
He let it all out…
notch: Wow. Hate, insults and threats are flooding in from Yogscast fans. I’ll stop biting my tongue now.
notch: Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop.
notch: They called us “a bunch of nerds who don’t know how to run a company”, demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid).
notch: And they claim they’re the reason minecraft is big and that we should thank them more than anyone else in the community. They’re total dicks
notch: A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they’d cross it out and put “fuck you” there instead.
notch: All this said, I’m very tired at the moment, and this will probably pass. I do like the work they do, very much.
Wow that really is something!
Yogscast left us with a few short posts on Facebook just before boarding their flight;
The YoGPoD: An Official statement/Vlog will be released when Simon, Lewis and Hannah return from Las Vegas to clarify what has happened. Hopefully this will clear everything up for everyone. – MintyMinute
The YoGPoD: we are about to embark on a 24 hour journey home so will officially respond when back in the UK – Lewis
Yogscast Forum Post
There is also a post on the Yogscast forum where people are asking about what happened.
Hanna (Lomadia) posted a reply that I thought was interesting;
I find the words ‘work with’ to be very interesting in this – you will see why when Lewis gets home and makes his v-log of Minecon.
This puts another element in? It will be worth keeping an eye on this forum post.
Check back here as I will link the video once it is up. (p.s. this video watched by hundreds of thousands of people will make them more money) Good old UChoob M0NAYS!
Personal Experience With Yogscast Reddit Post
Read the rest of the story here My Experience with the Yogscast team at MineCon
Here is a reply to the above post but someone stating they were ‘with The Yogscast’ sushifishpirate
My Initial Thoughts…
I really don’t know what to think, I love both Notch and the Yogscast boys. Though, if this is true then I’m really having doubts about how the boys have taken their fame. I always thought they were quite humble about it. But you really cannot know how they are behind closed doors.
I think I will wait for Yogscast to respond before passing my final judgement.
I do think it was very unprofessional of Notch do such a thing over twitter – a press release or a blog post with better chosen words would have been a much better route to take. Taking action the way he did over Twitter is just going to do more harm professionally than good.
What did you think of it all? comment below..
I hope there is some resolve to it soon.
Footnote - You can check out the original tweets on Notch's Twitter
MintyMinute posted an update from Yogscast.. I guess they are getting a large amount of people asking about it;
YOGSCAST: the guys are currently travelling back to the UK, once they’re back, give them 24 hours or so to create an official statement – MintyMinute
As you can see from the comments below one user ‘Yogcloaks FTW’ has an interesting take on it all.
… leads me to suspect that this whole incident is a collaborative troll by Notch and the Yogscast. Think about it. The whole time during the interview they were discussing their love of Skyrim. Maybe they decided to see how a civil war in the Minecraft community would go. I mean this doesn’t sound like something Simon and Lewis would do, and Notch just blabbing about it and badmouthing them on twitter isn’t like him, either. I truly hope that this is the case, and I’ll be anticipating the Yogscast statement on this matter with great interest.
I did consider this at one stage.. I think we will just have to wait and see. It seems we have a little over 24hrs.
There have been a few more developments this evening;
Someone on twitter posted a video of Simon, Lewis & Hannah signing autographs at Minecon (Ultra polite)[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKC1hJ-WX4U[/youtube]
dickieadams: If you are looking for video proof of how @YOGSCAST behaved at #minecon @notch, here you go http://t.co/daLUg0Mf (ultra polite)
Hannah posted the following on FaceBook this evening;
We are still awaiting the official response from them. Also why are all the posts about Simon? (Simon’s VLog?) can Lewis not present a statement.. Is there something odd going on here?
Daniel Yount (The guy that makes the music) is also being hounded for answers.. He will not say anything till he has spoken with the guys;
I have now watched the entire panel video and they were quite rude about Mojang at points, but nothing more than they would be in their video series, maybe it was in slightly bad taste (being that they were at Minecon) but there was nothing to really fall out about. The fact that the panel consisted of them showing video was a shame, It would have been nice to hear from the rest of the ‘crew’ along with hearing some of the burning questions I expect the audience had. But again, that is no big deal.
I did feel they went on about the YogBox ‘making Minecraft playable’ a bit too much for my liking but maybe that is just me? I’m not really that into mods.
Notch has been tweeting a little more recently, Firstly he Re-Tweeted the following;
I thought this was quite good – So did notch it seems..
Notch then formally apologised for ‘the ugly public airing of dirty laundry.’
I have also had to make a correction to some of the information above.
In light of some new information I have had to make a correction, I am sorry about the incorrect information regarding the Yogscast Forum. I was told something by what I thought was a trusted source that sadly was not entirely true.
The site was down for a time and I made the following joke;
I initially wrote this when the site came back online;
The Site is now back up. Apparently they have secured it so you can only post if you are logged in and approved.. Too much hate?
This was in fact incorrect. I am sorry about that.
Dyneslott himself has very kindly provided some more information on the Yogscast Forum maintenance;
We really did have maintenance, I was recovering from a database corruption that occurred.
And no, we have not touched the security settings on the forum for a while now, you have NEVER been able to post without an account on our forums.
I have also been searching around on other forums a little and came across this post on MinecraftForum;
The well known “Yogscast” have gotten into a lot of trouble during this Minecon.. causing them to banned from any more.
I had not actually heard officially that they had been banned. this is news to me? can anyone confirm this?
This forum post also linked to an interesting video explaining a little more about what has been going on;[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfobRqu9dxQ[/youtube]
Please bear in mind this video is heavily weighted in Notch’s favour. It does bring up some good points (and clips) showing the Yogscast guys insulting Mojang. The video also plays some of the ‘bad language’ during the address (but we have heard that in their series before) so it is nothing new.
If you get a chance you should watch the full Yogscast Panel. They were going on about the YogBox quite a bit.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPd9oci4ers[/youtube]
I leave it to you to make up your mind on that though.
The Minecraft Forum post also took me on to this story (From Before Minecon 25th October);
This story contained some interesting information;
Lewis: The entire game has had $0 spent on PR yet has sold 3.5 million copies – I think a large part of that is due to us.
Simon: We are Minecraft‘s PR! I think we enjoy a symbiotic relationship with Mojang and have definitely contributed to each other’s success. I’m very thankful we’ve done so well out of it.
Although this may well be true It does make me side with Notch a little as they may well have demanded financial recognition for the ‘PR’ they have been doing? What do you guys think?
Hannah just posted an update from the Yogscast;
just woke up after about 14 hours sleep, horribly jetlagged, will try and record something about this tonight – Hannah
We should be seeing something soon..
23:57 on 23-11-2011
Yogscast just released an official statement!
I thought I would also include some quotes from the release here;
We are very disappointed by these tweets from someone we admire and respect. We can understand that it was the morning after the deadmau5 party and Notch was very tired, but we are still fairly upset. The quotes and actions that Notch attributed to us were not said by us or published anywhere by us.
Regarding dropping f-bombs at the show – we apologise for this, but had rehearsed the whole show in front of the organisers and half of Mojang and they had approved it. We were given no guidelines or oversight in the weeks leading up to Minecon and there were ample opportunities at the rehearsal for Mojang to inform us of problems, such as being careful about swearing, which is pretty common in our youtube videos.
Out of all the tweets that Notch sent out, most hurtful was the accusation that we told a kid to “fuck off” and crossed out another signature – which is something we would never ever do.
We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out.
We’re not gonna stop making videos, not going to stop loving you guys, and hopefully we’ll see you at more gaming conventions in the future.
Lewis & Simon & Hannah
Well there you go… Thanks guys for that response. I think that pretty much closes off the issue now.. A big misunderstanding? Lets hope it all blows over and Notch eventually loves them again and they can make beautiful
babies I mean videos together…
Notch tweets in was of apology;
notch: I apologize for bringing it online before talking to them.
The panel videos have now been (being) put up on The Yogscast Channel. I guess this makes sense.. If enough people watch them then they will make back the money they spent traveling to Minecon anyway.
The Team Mojang twitter also posted a closing response stating it was ‘hard working with Yogscast’ and stating that they would now ‘sort this out with them directly’;
BomuBoi from Mojang also had a few tweets for us on the matter this morning;
bomuboi: If you find that our official statement sounds a bit harsh, this is how you should read it:
bomuboi: “We’re not dementing what’s already been said, but we’d like to keep further discussions private” So no more shouting and DDoSing, ok? D: <3
bomuboi: And yes, this ends my comments on the matter! <3 time to talk about nice things. … it’ll come eventually. ‘ A ‘;;
I guess he is having issue with people spamming them and DDoSing the sites? I think it is time people grew up and left both parties alone to sort out their differences in private.
The Afternoon of 24-11-2011
Notch has just put up some funny tweets;
I’m sorry about being a dick.
@MojangTeam Also, sorry about getting you guys in trouble.
I have to say I found this quite funny.. I think it shows everything will be ok. Notch is chilled, Yogscast are chilled.. All is good.
Lines are now closed, if you call in your vote will not be counted but you may still be charged…
I really cannot take a side here but we are planning to make a short video on the Gamer Euphoria YouTube channel talking about it all soon. Please check back for that.